Could you shed some light on the much-discussed Nepal-China strategic partnership?

During Xi Jinping’s Nepal visit, the two countries agreed to elevate their ‘comprehensive economic partnership’ to ‘strategic partnership’. China is very clear about the strategic partnership with Nepal. First, it is not an alliance. In Chinese foreign policy, we never seek alliance with other countries; this is a fundamental of our policy that everyone should understand. Strategy in my understanding means China has put Nepal in its foreign policy priority. It is also about long-term relationship for broader economic cooperation.

 

There is skepticism in Nepal that such a partnership could be transformed into a security alliance?

As I said, the strategic partnership with Nepal does not have any security and defense implications and it is all about enhancing economic collaborations.

 

What are the other issues related to this strategic partnership?

By strategic partnership we want to emphasize that we have given importance to Nepal. Both sides should discuss the areas of focus like agriculture and infrastructure based on mutual consultations. There are several areas on which two countries can work together.

 

In the second informal summit between Chinese President Xi and Indian Prime Minister Modi in October, China pushed the ‘China-India Plus’ concept. What does it actually entail?

This means having consensus between China and India to jointly promote economic development in this region. This is not limiting, like the idea of trilateral cooperation, which is about three countries. There could be four-side or five-side cooperation. The Plus formula is multi-lateral cooperation and not limited to China, India, and Nepal.

 

Does it mean India and China would consult each other before big infrastructure projects in Nepal?

It is about benefiting from each other’s competitive advantage. India has its own comparative advantage. China is competent in infrastructure, and China also has plenty of financial resources. In big projects you have to combine all sides, combine all comparative advantages. In Afghanistan, this concept is already being implemented. India and China are together training young diplomats there. In the second informal summit in India, Chinese President Xi and Indian Prime Minister Modi have agreed to extend this cooperation in other regions such as Africa and South East Asia.

 

Will India-China Plus minimize possible conflict between India and China in Nepal?

Of course. This concept entails enhancing economic cooperation in this region. It is not only about big projects but all types of cooperation.

 

But does not the ‘Plus’ concept minimize Nepal’s role?
Again, China-India Plus is not only about trilateral co-operation. It could also be multilateral. When I was in Dhaka, some experts there said that Bangladeshis do not want to be clubbed under Plus. I fully understand such feelings. But we can also have China-Nepal Plus; or China, India, US Plus Nepal. There is no problem.

 

Is this Plus concept confined to economic and infrastructure issues or does it also touch security issues?
It is limited to economic cooperation. No security policy or defense policy here.

 

In Nepal, the railway with China is often a subject of intense debates. What are the prospects of Chinese railway coming to Nepal?

We have a bright future for connectivity projects. Now, I think railway still has many technical problems because of the high mountains. There are also chances of earthquake in the proposed area. We have to go through studies and choose best options. We should not hurry to build a railway line. We have to move ahead carefully as this connectivity is for long term; not for one day or one year.

 

Nepal has already signed up to China’s Belt and Road Initiatives (BRI) but there are continued concerns over debt trap.

The debt trap diplomacy terminology was actually coined by Indian scholar Brahma Chellaney, famous for his hostile view of China. He coined this term in 2017 just before the first Belt and Road Summit in Beijing. The debt trap is a misnomer. See Bhutan. Many Indian companies have invested in hydropower projects there and Bhutan is struggling to pay back the loan. But no one talks about any debt trap there. This is pure propaganda.

 

What about the modality of investment in the proposed railway with Nepal?

The multi-dimensional connectivity concept includes highways, railways and opening more border points. Nepal can use Chinese airports too. Investment modalities are still up for discussion.

 

Nepal is already in the BRI but India is yet to join it. How optimistic are you that India will come around?

It is clear that India will not join the BRI in the near future. India has given some reasons on why BRI is bad for it. India is ready for economic cooperation but it does not like the label of BRI and we are flexible on this as well. But rest assured there will continue to be great economic cooperation between the two countries.

 

How does China view the border dispute between Nepal and India?

The Spokesperson of China’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs has clarified on this. China has not taken any position on it and we are hopeful that India and Nepal can settle it through peaceful negotiations. China also prefers to settle boundary disputes through peaceful means. We resolved our boundary dispute with Nepal in 1961 so there is no dispute between the two countries. India has also encroached on some Chinese territory in its new map.